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King Crimson: Starless (2014)

Iniciado por icrp1961, 08 de Mayo de 2014, 17:27:33 PM

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icrp1961

Lo predije en mi artículo sobre The Road to Red escrito para El Chamberlin. No hay dos sin tres.
Con motivo del cuadragésimo aniversario de Starless & Bible Black habrá caja multidisco en octubre.


DGM is pleased to confirm that an October release date has been set for Starless, a multi-disc CD/DVD-A/Blu-Ray boxed set featuring live and studio recordings This set will feature the first complete release of the blue tapes - the highest quality reel to reel direct to stereo/soundboard live recordings of King Crimson from the era with many appearing on CD for the first time. More details of the content will be announced nearer the time of release as will the pre-order page.

In the meantime if you were you in the audience at any of the gigs listed below and would like to share your memories of the concerts for possible inclusion in the booklet then drop a line to sidsmith at dgmlive dot com as soon as possible. If you're sitting on any pix, tapes or any other Crimson related items from this period now is the time to get in touch and send them in.


1973
Glasgow 23rd October
Liverpool 24th October
Leicester 25th October
London 26th October
Birmingham 28th October
Bristol  29th October
Hamburg 2nd November
Frankfurt 3nd November
Munich 4th November
Dusseldorf  5th November
Strasbourg  7th November
Saarbrücken  8th November
Turin 12th November
Rome 13th November
Zurich 15th November
Nancy 17th November
Lyon 18th November
Paris 19th November
Lille 20th November
Brussels 22nd November
Amsterdam 23rd November
Barcelona 27th November
Barcelona 28th November
Madrid 29th November

1974
Udine     19th March
Brescia 30th March
Paris 22nd March
Marseilles 23rd March
Avignon 24th March
Besancon 25th March
Augsberg 27th March
Dieburg 28th March
Heidelberg 29th March
Mainz 30th March
Pforzheim 31st March
Kassel 1st April
Gottingen 2nd April
Gottingen 2nd April   

If you have any audience recordings or photographs or memorabilia then please get in touch at the above address.  October 1973 to April 1974.


Fuente:
http://www.dgmlive.com/news.htm?entry=4639

OJO. La lista es la de los conciertos de estas giras, no la de conciertos disponibles para la caja.
Music shouldn't be easy to understand. You have to come to the music yourself, gradually. Not everything must be received with open arms. (John Coltrane, 1963)
"Nada es verdad, todo está permitido" (El almuerzo desnudo, William S. Burroughs)

icrp1961

Algo se desvela de los contenidos:

David Cross: Violin & Keyboards, Robert Fripp:- Guitar & Mellotron, John Wetton: Bass and Voice, Bill Bruford: Percussives

Few bands of the era offered as much variety in material from night to night. King Crimson's propensity for improvisation & fondness for playing its newest material – often unreleased on record at the time of the concerts - is legendary. Fewer bands still, whether by accident or design, recorded so many of their live shows.

Starless offers an in depth overview of one of the era's most significant bands in its most celebrated live line-up.

Autumn 1973: As King Crimson's second lengthy US tour of that year was coming to a close, a short series of UK concerts for the end of October, followed by a more extensive European tour in November was already planned. Three of these concerts Glasgow, Zurich & Amsterdam were recorded as full multi-track recordings, with material from the Amsterdam show being used as core material for the January 1974 recording of Starless & Bible Black. From mid-March to the start of April, the band was on the road in Europe again, promoting the album with their final European concerts of the decade, prior to undertaking a further US tour. A number of these concerts were recorded on stereo reel to reel machines, fed directly from the signal as sent to the PA system on the night of the performance. These soundboards are often referred to as "The Blue Tapes", named after the outer colour of the original tape boxes & are especially valued for both the quality of recording & performance.

This boxed set presents eighteen CDs of live concert performances, seven of them mixed from the 1973 multi-track tapes and a further eleven presenting the complete run of "The Blue Tapes" for the first time. CDs of the ORTF Paris TV performance & the 2011 stereo mix of Starless & Bible Black also feature. Two DVD-A discs & two Blu-Ray discs contain concert & studio recordings in stereo, quadraphonic & full 5.1 surround sound – all presented in high-resolution audio.


What you get...

19 CDs of live performance material.

7 CDs taken from multi-track tape including 4CDs of material from the Glasgow & Zurich shows, freshly assembled & mastered in Hi-Res from the original Great Deceiver mixes by David Singleton at DGM Soundworld in 2014, the Amsterdam show The Nightwatch mixed by Steven Wilson & a previously unheard preparatory of material from the same show prepared by George Chkiantz (engineer of all live KC shows of the era & the Red album).

11 CDs drawn from high quality stereo reel to reel soundboard tapes. 8 making their first appearance on CD with the remaining three re-mastered or drawn from new tape sources.

1 CD presenting the performance from the ORTF Paris TV broadcast


CD 20 features the 2011 stereo mix of Starless & Bible Black by Steven Wilson & Robert Fripp

Inquire at mailorder@dgmlive.com for details about becoming a Frequent Flier, at no cost.

DVD-A 1 features the Starless & Bible Black album in 5.1 Surround, with new & original stereo album mixes in High Resolution Stereo plus bonus audio material.


DVD-A 2 features material from Mainz (mixed by David Singleton), Amsterdam (mixed by Steven Wilson) & a later show from Pittsburgh (mixed by George Chkiantz) in quadraphonic audio & High-Resolution Stereo.


Both DVD-A discs are region 0 playable in all areas & compatible with all DVD players & DVD Rom players

Fuente:
http://shop.schizoidshop.com/king-crimson--starless--limited-edition-boxed-set-p1418.aspx
Music shouldn't be easy to understand. You have to come to the music yourself, gradually. Not everything must be received with open arms. (John Coltrane, 1963)
"Nada es verdad, todo está permitido" (El almuerzo desnudo, William S. Burroughs)

icrp1961

Además:

* Discs packaged in 8 individual 3 disc digipaks within an album sized box

* 3 additional bonus CDs of audio restored soundboard/bootlegs and audio curios are also included.

* 1 further concert (bootleg quality audio) is also available via included download ticket.

* Album sized booklet with rare/unseen photos, new sleeve notes by Sid Smith, technical notes on the recordings by David Singleton, eye-witness accounts from fans who attended the gigs plus memorabilia including an album print, poster, replica concert ticket, press release with folder, photos and more besides.

* Limited to a single pressing run. 


Fuente:
https://www.burningshed.com/store/kingcrimson/product/313/6012/
Music shouldn't be easy to understand. You have to come to the music yourself, gradually. Not everything must be received with open arms. (John Coltrane, 1963)
"Nada es verdad, todo está permitido" (El almuerzo desnudo, William S. Burroughs)

jajani

dicebamus hesterna die...

jajani

dicebamus hesterna die...

Pantagruel


"What is this hope of possitive development in a world that's falling appart?"
Christy Doran

Pantagruel


"What is this hope of possitive development in a world that's falling appart?"
Christy Doran

DarkELP

Cita de: jajani en 16 de Agosto de 2014, 12:53:50 PM
Atención a la portada. Ahora es solo STARLESS



Yo pienso que deberían de haber respetado la portada original.

Iré adonde tú vayas, viviré donde tú vivas; tu pueblo será mi pueblo y tu Dios será mi Dios; moriré donde tú mueras, y allí me enterrarán. Juro ante el Señor que solo la muerte podrá separarnos.
Rut 1, 16-17

David Fresno

#8
Cita de: Pantagruel en 26 de Agosto de 2014, 10:24:33 AM
Ahora está en preventa también en Burning Shed al mismo precio que la caja" The Road to Red"

https://www.burningshed.com/store/kingcrimson/product/313/6012/

Habrá que ir quedando en Vallecas para la première.  ;D ;D ;D

Cita de: DarkELP en 26 de Agosto de 2014, 22:48:38 PM
Cita de: jajani en 16 de Agosto de 2014, 12:53:50 PM
Atención a la portada. Ahora es solo STARLESS



Yo pienso que deberían de haber respetado la portada original.



Las reediciones de Starless & Bible Black y Red como parte del 40 aniversario del grupo sí conservan las portadas originales de cada disco. En cambio la caja The Road To Red y la inminente Starless no. Entiendo que esto se debe a que no son concebidas estrictamente como reediciones de los discos con los que se relacionan. La caja de In The Court Of The Crimson King sí parece concebida como una extensa reedición del disco que celebra su 40 aniversario y conserva la portada original. The Road To Red y ésta no: aparentemente se edita material en directo que "desemboca" en el correspondiente disco de estudio. Entre medias de ambos extremos quedaría la de Larks´ Tongues In Aspic: muchos discos en directo que nos llevan al disco de estudio por orden cronológico pero se respeta la portada del disco. Es posible que el criterio de estas cajas cambiara o se desarrollara sobre la marcha.

icrp1961

Cita de: icrp1961 en 30 de Noviembre de 2014, 17:09:45 PM
Cita de: icrp1961 en 30 de Noviembre de 2014, 10:48:13 AM
Luego sonará una parte de todo esto:

King Crimson - Starless (2014)


En concreto los discos 1 al 4. Es decir, los recitales de Glasgow y Zurich.

Aviso para quien tenga la cajota que no ha de ser leído si no se ha escuchado el cuarto CD:

[spoiler]En el cd cuatro han manipulado la improvisación para encajar "The Mincer" con Wetton cantando y todo eso eliminando todo rastro de la continuidad original, que se puede escuchar como tal en uno de los bonus disc. Yo lo hubiera hecho al revés. Son discos de archivo, ¿no?[/spoiler]

Ya comentaremos en "abierto" más adelante, ¿no?

Mejor aquí, ¿no?
Music shouldn't be easy to understand. You have to come to the music yourself, gradually. Not everything must be received with open arms. (John Coltrane, 1963)
"Nada es verdad, todo está permitido" (El almuerzo desnudo, William S. Burroughs)

sahagun

He leído que eran 27 discos en formato de CD, DVD-A y BR. Qué barbaridad, no? Y los conciertos son todos entre 1973 y 1974, es decir, los de ese momento. Que bestias, cuanto material han guardado!. Os lo habéis escuchado ya?

sahagun

http://shop.schizoidshop.com/king-crimson--starless--limited-edition-boxed-set-p1418.aspx

Autumn 1973: As King Crimson's second lengthy US tour of that year was coming to a close, a short series of UK concerts for the end of October, followed by a more extensive European tour in November was already planned. Three of these concerts; Glasgow, Zurich & Amsterdam, were recorded as full multi-track recordings, with material from the Amsterdam show being used as core material for the January 1974 recording of Starless & Bible Black. From mid-March to the start of April, the band was on the road in Europe again, promoting the album with their final European concerts of the decade, prior to undertaking a further US tour. A number of these concerts were recorded on stereo reel to reel machines, fed directly from the signal as sent to the PA system on the night of the performance. These soundboards are often referred to as "The Blue Tapes", named after the outer colour of the original tape boxes & are especially valued for both the quality of recording & performance.

This boxed set presents eighteen CDs of live concert performances, seven of them mixed from the 1973 multi-track tapes and a further eleven presenting the complete run of "The Blue Tapes" for the first time. CDs of the ORTF Paris TV performance & the 2011 stereo mix of Starless & Bible Black also feature. Two DVD-A discs & two Blu-Ray discs contain concert & studio recordings in stereo, quadraphonic & full 5.1 surround sound – all presented in high-resolution audio.

Disc 1

Apollo Theatre
Glasgow, UK
October 23, 1973

1 Improv: Sharks' Lungs In Lemsip
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
2 Larks' Tongues In Aspic (Part I)
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Muir)
3 RF Announcement
4 Easy Money
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
5 Improv: We'll Let You Know
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
6 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
7 Fracture
(Fripp)
8 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)

Disc 1 mixed by Robert Fripp, Tony Arnold and David Singleton
at the Courthouse, Cranborne, Dorset. Previously released in part on "The Great
Deceiver"(1992). Balance of tracks available as a download from www.dgmlive.com
(2006). Freshly assembled & remastered from the original "Great Deceiver" mixes
by David Singleton at DGM SoundWorld (2014).

Disc 2

Apollo Theatre
Glasgow, UK
October 23, 1973

1 Book Of Saturday
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
2 Improv: Tight Scrummy
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
3 Exiles
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
4 Improv: Loose Scrummy
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
5 The Talking Drum
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Muir)
6 Larks' Tongues In Aspic (Part II)
(Fripp)
7 Peace - A Theme
(Fripp)
8 Cat Food
(Fripp/Sinfield/McDonald)

Disc 2 mixed by Robert Fripp, Tony Arnold and David Singleton
at the Courthouse, Cranborne, Dorset. Previously released in part on "The Great
Deceiver"(1992). Balance of tracks available as a download from www.dgmlive.com
(2006). Freshly assembled & remastered from the original "Great Deceiver" mixes
by David Singleton at DGM SoundWorld (2014).

Disc 3

Volkshaus
Zurich, Switzerland
November 15, 1973

1 Walk On: No Pussyfooting
(Fripp/Eno)
2 Improv: Some Pussyfooting
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
3 Larks' Tongues In Aspic (Part I)
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Muir)
4 RF Announcement
5 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
6 Peace: A Theme
(Fripp)
7 Cat Food
(Fripp/Sinfield/McDonald)
8 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
9 Fracture
(Fripp)

Disc 3 mixed by Robert Fripp, Tony Arnold and David Singleton
at the Courthouse, Cranborne, Dorset. Previously released in part on "The Great
Deceiver"(1992) & via mail order as part of The King Crimson Collectors' Club
Vol. 41 (2009). Freshly assembled & remastered from the original "Great Deceiver"
mixes by David Singleton at DGM SoundWorld (2014).

Disc 4

Volkshaus
Zurich, Switzerland
November 15, 1973

1 The Law Of Maximum Distress: Part I
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
2 Improv: The Mincer *
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
3 The Law Of Maximum Distress: Part II
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
4 Easy Money
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)

5 Exiles
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
6 Improv: Some More Pussyfooting
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
7 The Talking Drum
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Muir)
8 Larks' Tongues In Aspic (Part II)
(Fripp)
9 21st Century Schizoid Man
(Fripp/McDonald/Lake/Giles/Sinfield)

Disc 4 mixed by Robert Fripp, Tony Arnold and David Singleton at the Courthouse,
Cranborne, Dorset, except * 'The Mincer' taken from the original "Starless & Bible
Black" album mix with added ambience from an audience bootleg as the original
multitrack tape is missing. Previously released in part on "The Great Deceiver"
(1992) & via mail order as part of The King Crimson Collectors' Club Vol. 41(2009).
Freshly assembled & remastered from the original "Great Deceiver" mixes by David
Singleton at DGM SoundWorld (2014).

Disc 5

Concertgebouw
Amsterdam, Netherlands
November 23, 1973

1 Easy Money
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
2 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
3 Book Of Saturday
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
4 RF Announcement
5 Fracture
(Fripp)
6 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
7 Improv: Starless And Bible Black
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)

Disc 5 newly mixed from the original multitrack tapes by Steven Wilson (2014).
Previously released with a different mix as "The Night Watch" (1997).

Disc 6

Concertgebouw
Amsterdam, Netherlands
November 23, 1973

1 Improv: Trio *
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
2 Exiles
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
3 Improv: The Fright Watch
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
4 The Talking Drum
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Muir)
5 Larks' Tongues In Aspic (Part II)
(Fripp)
6 21st Century Schizoid Man
(Fripp/McDonald/Lake/Giles/Sinfield)

Disc 6 newly mixed from the original multitrack tapes by Steven Wilson (2014).
* except 'Trio' taken from "Starless & Bible Black"
Previously released with a different mix as "The Night Watch" (1997).

Disc 7

Palazzo dello Sport
Udine, Italy
March 19, 1974

1 Exiles
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
2 Fracture
(Fripp)
3 Larks' Tongues In Aspic (Part II)
(Fripp)

Disc 7 taken from a quarter inch reel to reel soundboard recording.
Newly mastered by David Singleton and Alex R Mundy at DGM (2014).
Reel Two of The Blue Tapes, Second part of the show, 3 tracks only.
(Reel One is missing). Previously unreleased on CD. The balance of
this concert is featured on bonus CD 27 taken from a restored bootleg.

Disc 8

Palazzo dello Sport
Brescia, Italy
March 20, 1974

1 Improv I
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
2 Larks' Tongues In Aspic (Part I)
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Muir)
3 Doctor Diamond
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
4 Easy Money
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
5 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
6 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
7 Improv II
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
8 Starless
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
9 Exiles *
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
* incomplete recording

Disc 8 taken from a quarter inch reel to reel soundboard recording.
Newly mastered by David Singleton and Alex R Mundy at DGM (2014).
Reel Three of The Blue Tapes. (The remainder of the concert, Reel Four,
and the Marseilles concert, Reel Five, are missing). Previously available
as a download only from www.dgmlive.com (2005).

Disc 9

ORTF T.V
Paris, France
March 22, 1974

1 Larks' Tongues In Aspic (Part II)
(Fripp)
2 Improv
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
3 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
4 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
5 Starless
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)

Disc 9 newly mastered from the DGM archives by David Singleton
and Alex R Mundy (2014). Previously unreleased as standalone audio.

Disc 10

Palais Paul Videl
Avignon
March 24, 1974

1 Walk On: No Pussyfooting
(Fripp/Eno)
2 Doctor Diamond
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
3 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
4 Fracture
(Fripp)
5 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
6 The Great Deceiver
(Wetton/Fripp/Palmer-James)
7 Starless
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
8 Exiles
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
9 The Talking Drum
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Muir)
10 Larks' Tongues In Aspic (Part II) *
(Fripp)
* incomplete recording

Disc 10 taken from a quarter inch reel to reel soundboard recording.
Newly mastered by David Singleton and Alex R Mundy at DGM (2014).
Reel Six of The Blue Tapes, Previously unreleased in any format.

Disc 11

Palais Des Sports
Besancon, France
March 25, 1974

1 Doctor Diamond *
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
2 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
3 Fracture
(Fripp)
4 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
5 The Great Deceiver
(Wetton/Fripp/Palmer-James)
6 Improv I †
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
7 Starless
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
8 Exiles
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
9 Improv II
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
* incomplete recording

Disc 11 taken from a quarter inch reel to reel soundboard recording.
Newly mastered by David Singleton and Alex R Mundy at DGM (2014).
Reel Seven of The Blue Tapes. † Short excerpt previously released on
"Cirkus: The Young Persons' Guide to King Crimson - Live" (1999).
Otherwise previously unreleased in any format.

Disc 12

Stadttheater
Augsburg, Germany
March 27, 1974

1 Walk On: No Pussyfooting
(Fripp/Eno)
2 Doctor Diamond
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
3 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
4 Easy Money
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
5 Fracture
(Fripp)
6 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
7 The Great Deceiver
(Wetton/Fripp/Palmer-James)
8 Starless
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
9 Improv: Augsburg
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
10 Exiles
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
11 Larks' Tongues In Aspic (Part II) *
(Fripp)
* incomplete recording

Disc 12 taken from a quarter inch reel to reel soundboard recording.
Newly mastered by David Singleton and Alex R Mundy at DGM (2014).
Reel Eight of The Blue Tapes. Previously available as a download only
from www.dgmlive.com (2007).

Disc 13

Halle Der Fachoschule
Dieburg, Germany
March 28, 1974

1 Doctor Diamond
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
2 RF Announcement
3 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
4 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
5 Fracture
(Fripp)
6 Improv I
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
7 Exiles
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
8 The Great Deceiver
(Wetton/Fripp/Palmer-James)
9 Improv II
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
10 Starless *
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
* incomplete recording
Disc 13 taken from a quarter inch reel to reel soundboard recording.
Newly mastered by David Singleton and Alex R Mundy at DGM (2014).
Reel Nine of The Blue Tapes. Previously unreleased in any format.

Disc 14

Stadthalle
Heidelberg, Germany
March 29, 1974

1 Walk On: No Pussyfooting
(Fripp/Eno)
2 Improv I
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
3 Doctor Diamond
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
4 RF Announcement
5 Improv II
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
6 Exiles
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
7 Improv III
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
8 Starless
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
9 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
10 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
11 Easy Money
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
12 Fracture *
(Fripp)
* incomplete recording

Disc 14 taken from a quarter inch reel to reel soundboard recording.
Newly mastered by David Singleton and Alex R Mundy at DGM (2014).
Reel Ten of The Blue Tapes. Previously released via mail order as part of
The King Crimson Collectors' Club Vol. 29 (2005) & as a download from
www.dgmlive.com (2013).

Disc 15

Elzer Hof
Mainz, Germany
March 30, 1974

1 Walk On: No Pussyfooting
(Fripp/Eno)
2 Improv: The Savage
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
3 Doctor Diamond
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
4 Improv: Arabica
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
5 Exiles
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
6 Improv: Atria
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
7 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
8 Starless
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
9 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
10 Improv: Trio
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
11 Easy Money
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)

Disc 15 taken from a quarter inch reel to reel soundboard recording.
Newly mixed from several source tapes by David Singleton and Alex R Mundy at DGM (2014). Reel Eleven of The Blue Tapes & audience recordings. Previously released with a different mix as part of The King Crimson Collectors' Club Vol.15 (2001), "Collectable King Crimson Vol. I" (2006) & as a download from www.dgmlive.com (2012). The balance of this concert is featured on Bonus CD 26, taken from a restored bootleg.

Disc 16

Jahnhalle
Pforzheim, Germany
March 31, 1974

1 The Great Deceiver
(Wetton/Fripp/Palmer-James)
2 Improv I
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
3 Doctor Diamond
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
4 Improv II
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
5 Exiles
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
6 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
7 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
8 Starless
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
9 Easy Money
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
10 Fracture *
(Fripp)
* incomplete recording

Disc 16 taken from a quarter inch reel to reel soundboard recording.
Newly mastered from the original reel to reel tape by David Singleton and
Alex R Mundy (2014). Reel Twelve of The Blue Tapes,
Previously available as a download only from www.dgmlive.com (2005).

Disc 17

Stadthalle
Kassel, Germany
April 1, 1974

1 The Great Deceiver *
(Wetton/Fripp/Palmer-James)
2 Improv I
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
3 Doctor Diamond
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
4 Improv II
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
5 Exiles
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
6 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
7 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
8 Starless
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
9 Improv III
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
10 Easy Money
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
11 Fracture *
(Fripp)
* incomplete recording

Disc 17 taken from a quarter inch reel to reel soundboard recording.
Newly mastered by David Singleton and Alex R Mundy at DGM (2014).
Reel Thirteen of The Blue Tapes. Previously released via mail order as part
of The King Crimson Collectors' Club Vol. 36 (2007) & as a download from
www.dgmlive.com (2012)

Disc 18

Stadthalle
Gottingen, Germany
April 2, 1974

1 The Great Deceiver *
(Wetton/Fripp/Palmer-James)
2 Doctor Diamond
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
3 Exiles
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
4 Fracture
(Fripp)
5 RF Announcement
6 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
7 Starless
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
8 Improv I
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
9 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
* incomplete recording

Disc 18 taken from a quarter inch reel to reel soundboard recording.
Newly mastered by David Singleton and Alex R Mundy at DGM (2014).
Reel Fourteen of The Blue Tapes. Previously unreleased in any format.

Disc 19

Concertgebouw
Amsterdam, Netherlands
November 23, 1973

1 Easy Money
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
2 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
3 Book Of Saturday
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
4 Exiles
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
5 Improv: The Fright Watch
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
6 The Talking Drum
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Muir)
7 Larks' Tongues In Aspic (Part II)
(Fripp)
8 21st Century Schizoid Man
(Fripp/McDonald/Lake/Giles/Sinfield)

Disc 19 preparatory mix for radio broadcast by George Chkiantz, 1974,
from the original multitrack recordings. This concert was released as
"The Night Watch" (1997), with a different mix.
This mix previously unreleased.

Disc 20

Starless And Bible Black
2011 Stereo Mix
1 The Great Deceiver
(Wetton/Fripp/Palmer-James)
2 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
3 We'll Let You Know
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
4 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
5 Trio
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
6 The Mincer
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
7 Starless And Bible Black
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
8 Fracture
(Fripp)

Disc 20 Mixed & produced from the original multitrack tapes
by Steven Wilson and Robert Fripp (2011). Previously released as part of the
King Crimson 40th Anniversary series. 'Trio' & 'The Mincer' taken from 30th
anniversary edition as multitracks are missing.

Disc 21 DVD-A 1

AUDIO CONTENT
MLP Lossless 5.1 Surround
DTS 5.1 DigitalSurround
MLP Lossless Stereo (24/96)
LPCM Stereo (24/48)

Starless And Bible Black
5.1 Surround Mix
2011 Stereo Mix
Original Stereo Mix

1 The Great Deceiver
(Wetton/Fripp/Palmer-James)
2 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
3 We'll Let You Know
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
4 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
5 Trio
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
6 The Mincer
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
7 Starless And Bible Black
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
8 Fracture
(Fripp)

5.1 Surround and 2011 Stereo mixed and produced from the original multitrack tapes
by Steven Wilson and Robert Fripp except 'Trio' & 'The Mincer' * upmixed to 5.1 from
the original stereo masters by Simon Heyworth and Robert Fripp, and taken from 30th
anniversary edition for the 2011 stereo edition. Original stereo mix produced by King
Crimson, mastered by Simon Heyworth and Robert Fripp.

Bonus track 5.1 Surround Mix

1 Easy Money
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
Mixed & produced from the original multitrack tapes by Steven Wilson and Robert Fripp

LPCM Stereo (24/48)

Volkshaus
Zurich, Switzerland
November 15, 1973

1 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
2 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
3 Fracture
(Fripp)
4 The Law Of Maximum Distress: Part I
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
5 Improv: The Mincer
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
6 The Law Of Maximum Distress: Part II
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
1 – 4, 6 mixed by Robert Fripp, Tony Arnold & David Singleton, 5 audio restoration
to audience recording by David Singleton and Alex R. Mundy at DGM.
LPCM Stereo (24/48)

Additional tracks

1 We'll Let You Know
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
(unedited from The Great Deceiver)

2 Doctor Diamond
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
(Live, June 23rd 1973, Richards Club, Atlanta, Georgia)

3 Guts On My Side
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
(Live, March 19th 1974, Palazzo dello Sport, Udine, Italy)

4 The Night Watch (Single edit - stereo)
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)

5 The Night Watch (US radio single edit - mono)
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)

6 30 second radio advert

7 60 second radio advert

1 mixed by Robert Fripp, Tony Arnold & David Singleton, 2, 3 audio restoration
to audience recording by David Singleton and Alex R. Mundy at DGM.
4 Produced by King Crimson. 5 Reduced to mono without knowledge of
or reference to the band

VIDEO CONTENT

Central Park,
New York
June 25, 1973

1 Easy Money
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
2 Fragged Dusty Wall Carpet
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)

Disc 22 DVD-A 2

AUDIO CONTENT
Multi-Channel Audio
LPCM Stereo (24/48)

Elzer Hof
Mainz, Germany
March 30, 1974

1 Walk On: No Pussyfooting
(Fripp/Eno)
2 Improv: The Savage
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
3 Doctor Diamond
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
4 Improv: Arabica
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
5 Exiles
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
6 Improv: Atria
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
7 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
8 Starless
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
9 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
10 Improv: Trio
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
11 Easy Money
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
12 Fracture (fragment)
(Fripp)

Mixed from several source tapes by David Singleton at DGM (2014).

Concertgebouw
Amsterdam, Netherlands
November 23, 1973

1 Easy Money
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
2 Improv: Starless And Bible Black
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
3 Exiles
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
4 Improv: The Fright Watch
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
5 The Talking Drum
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Muir)
6 Larks' Tongues In Aspic (Part II)
(Fripp)
7 21st Century Schizoid Man
(Fripp/McDonald/Lake/Giles/Sinfield)
Mixed & produced from the original multitrack tapes by Steven Wilson (2014)

Stanley Theatre
Pittsburgh, USA
April 29, 1974

1 The Great Deceiver
(Wetton/Fripp/Palmer-James)
2 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
3 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
4 Starless
(Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)

Disc 23 Blu-Ray 1

AUDIO CONTENT LPCM Stereo (24/192)
DTS-HD Master Audio

Apollo Theatre
Glasgow, UK
October 23, 1973
1 Walk On
2 Improv: Sharks' Lungs In Lemsip
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
3 Larks' Tongues In Aspic (Part I)
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Muir)
4 Book Of Saturday
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
5 Easy Money
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
6 Improv: We'll Let You Know
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
7 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
8 Improv: Tight Scrummy
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
9 Improv: Loose Scrummy
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
10 The Talking Drum
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Muir)
11 Larks' Tongues In Aspic (Part II)
(Fripp)
12 Peace - A Theme
(Fripp)
13 Cat Food
(Fripp/Sinfield/McDonald)

Volkshaus
Zurich, Switzerland
November 15, 1973

1 Walk On: No Pussyfooting
(Fripp/Eno)
2 Improv: Some Pussyfooting
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
3 Larks' Tongues In Aspic: Part I
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Muir)
4 RF Announcement
5 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
6 Peace: A Theme
(Fripp)
7 Cat Food
(Fripp/Sinfield/McDonald)
8 Fracture
(Fripp)
9 The Law Of Maximum Distress: Part I
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
10 Improv: The Mincer
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
11 The Law Of Maximum Distress: Part II
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)

12 Easy Money
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
13 Exiles
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
14 Improv: Some More Pussyfooting
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
15 The Talking Drum
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Muir)
16 Larks' Tongues In Aspic (Part II)
(Fripp)
17 21st Century Schizoid Man
(Fripp/McDonald/Lake/Giles/Sinfield)
LPCM Stereo (24/96)
DTS-HD Master Audio

Concertgebouw
Amsterdam, Netherlands
November 23, 1973
2014 Stereo Mix by Steven Wilson

1 Easy Money
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
2 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
3 Book Of Saturday
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
4 RF Announcement
5 Fracture
(Fripp)
6 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
7 Improv: Starless And Bible Black
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
8 The Great Deceiver
(Wetton/Fripp/Palmer-James)
9 Exiles
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
10 Improv: The Fright Watch
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
11 The Talking Drum
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Muir)
12 Larks' Tongues In Aspic (Part II)
(Fripp)
13 21st Century Schizoid Man
(Fripp/McDonald/Lake/Giles/Sinfield)

Additional material
Concertgebouw
Amsterdam, Netherlands
1974 Stereo Mix by George Chkiantz

(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
2 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
3 Book Of Saturday
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
4 Exiles
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
5 Improv: The Fright Watch
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
6 The Talking Drum
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Muir)
7 Larks' Tongues In Aspic (Part II)
(Fripp)
8 21st Century Schizoid Man
(Fripp/McDonald/Lake/Giles/Sinfield)

The Night Watch 1997 Stereo Mix
by David Singleton & Robert Fripp
upsampled to 24/96 from original 16/44 source tape.
for tracklist see Steven Wilson mix above.

Disc 24 Blu-Ray 2

AUDIO CONTENT
DTS-HD Master Surround
LPCM 5.1 Surround
LPCM Stereo (24/96)

Starless And Bible Black
5.1 Surround Mix
2011 Stereo Mix
Original Stereo Mix
Original UK Vinyl Transfer

1 The Great Deceiver
(Wetton/Fripp/Palmer-James)
2 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
3 We'll Let You Know
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
4 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
5 Trio
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
6 The Mincer
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
7 Starless And Bible Black
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
8 Fracture
(Fripp)

5.1 Surround and 2011 Stereo mixed and produced from the original multitrack tapes
by Steven Wilson and Robert Fripp except 'Trio' & 'The Mincer' * upmixed to 5.1 from
the original stereo masters by Simon Heyworth and Robert Fripp, and taken from 30th
anniversary edition for the 2011 stereo edition. Original stereo mix produced by King
Crimson, mastered by Simon Heyworth and Robert Fripp.

LPCM Stereo (24/48)

Additional tracks

1 The Night Watch (Single edit - stereo)
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)

2 The Night Watch (US radio single edit - mono)
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)

3 30 second radio advert

4 60 second radio advert

1 Produced by King Crimson. 2 Reduced to mono without knowledge of
or reference to the band

The surround performances on this disc are a mixture of 5.1, 4.1 & 4.0
configurations. If no audio is heard from centre channel this is by design,
and not caused by a faulty disc.
DTS-HD Master Surround
LPCM Surround
LPCM Stereo (24/96)

Elzer Hof
Mainz, Germany
March 30, 1974

1 Walk On: No Pussyfooting
(Fripp/Eno)
2 Improv: The Savage
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
3 Doctor Diamond
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
4 Improv: Arabica
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
5 Exiles
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
6 Improv: Atria
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
7 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
8 Starless
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
9 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
10 Improv: Trio
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
11 Easy Money
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
12 Fracture (fragment)
(Fripp)
Mixed from several source tapes by David Singleton at DGM (2014).

Concertgebouw
Amsterdam, Netherlands
November 23, 1973

1 Easy Money
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
2 Improv: Starless And Bible Black
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
3 Exiles
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
4 Improv: The Fright Watch
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
5 The Talking Drum
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Muir)
6 Larks' Tongues In Aspic (Part II)
(Fripp)
7 21st Century Schizoid Man
(Fripp/McDonald/Lake/Giles/Sinfield)
Mixed & produced from the original multitrack tapes by Steven Wilson (2014)

Stanley Theatre
Pittsburgh, USA
April 29, 1974

1 The Great Deceiver
(Wetton/Fripp/Palmer-James)
2 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
3 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
4 Starless
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
VIDEO CONTENT

ORTF T.V
Paris, France
March 22, 1974

1 Larks' Tongues In Aspic (Part II)
(Fripp)
2 Improv
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
3 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
4 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
5 Starless
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)

Central Park,
New York
June 25, 1973

1 Easy Money
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
2 Fragged Dusty Wall Carpet
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)

Disc 25 Bonus Audio 1

University Of Texas, Arlington, TX
October 6, 1973

1 Walk On
2 Improv I
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
3 Larks' Tongues In Aspic: Part I
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Muir)
4 RF Announcement
5 Easy Money
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
6 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
7 Fracture
(Fripp)
8 Book Of Saturday
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
9 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
10 Improv II
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
11 Exiles
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)

Disc 26 Bonus Audio 2

Audio Curios

1 The Talking Drum
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Muir)
2 Larks' Tongues In Aspic (Part II)
(Fripp)
3 21st Century Schizoid Man
(Fripp/McDonald/Lake/Giles/Sinfield)
(1-3 University of Texas, Arlington, TX, October 6, 1973)

4 Doctor Diamond
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
(Richards Club, Atlanta, Georgia, June 23, 1973)

5 The Law Of Maximum Distress: Part I
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
6 Improv: The Mincer *
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
7 The Law Of Maximum Distress: Part II
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)

(5-7 Volkshaus, Zurich, Switzerland, November 15, 1973)

8 Easy Money
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
9 Fracture
(Fripp)
10 Larks' Tongues In Aspic (Part II)
(Fripp)
(8-10 Elzer Hof, Mainz, Germany, October 6, 1973)

Disc 27 Bonus Audio 3

Palazzo dello Sport, Udine, Italy
March 19, 1974

1 Walk On: No Pussyfooting
(Fripp/Eno)
2 Improv: Some Pussyfooting
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
3 Larks' Tongues In Aspic: Part I
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Muir)
4 Lament
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
5 Doctor Diamond
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
6 The Night Watch
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
7 The Great Deceiver
(Wetton/Fripp/Palmer-James)
8 Guts On My Side
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
9 Improv II
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford)
10 Starless
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Palmer-James)
11 Book Of Saturday
(Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
12 Exiles
(Cross/Fripp/Wetton/Palmer-James)
13 Fracture
(Fripp)

(p) 2014 Robert Fripp

This compilation (p)+© 2014 Robert Fripp

icrp1961

Cita de: sahagun en 03 de Diciembre de 2014, 12:46:13 PM
He leído que eran 27 discos en formato de CD, DVD-A y BR. Qué barbaridad, no? Y los conciertos son todos entre 1973 y 1974, es decir, los de ese momento. Que bestias, cuanto material han guardado!. Os lo habéis escuchado ya?
Supongo que varios de nosotros estamos en ello. La mayoría de los conciertos ya los conocía por otras ediciones previas incluyendo descargas de DGM Live.
Music shouldn't be easy to understand. You have to come to the music yourself, gradually. Not everything must be received with open arms. (John Coltrane, 1963)
"Nada es verdad, todo está permitido" (El almuerzo desnudo, William S. Burroughs)

icrp1961

Hay que decir que todo el material ha sido remasterizado de nuevo.
Con lo que he escuchado  puedo ser crítico con algunas cosas.
La actuación de Frankfurt (3 de noviembre de 1973) tiene mejor sonido que algún concierto de la caja Larks' Tongues in Aspic, the Complete Recordings. En aquella hubiera sido incluida como disco y no como descarga. Sé que sería la única de fuente piratona, "de público", pero se oye.
Nada que criticar a los discos 1 & 2 (Glasgow), pero con Zurich sí que hay algo que decir. Han incorporado "The Mincer" a la improvisación de la que tiene origen quitando el fragmento perdido y sólo encontrable en fuente piratona. En su haber debo decir que el "mejunje" está bien hecho, pero en el "reproche" decir que esto no se hace con un disco supuestamente de archivo.
El concierto de Amsterdam (discos 5 y 6) ya fue editado anteriormente como The Night Watch. Sin ninguna necesidad Steven Wilson ha facturado una nueva mezcla con un sonido más bronco y con el bajo más alto y discernible. Bueno, es más "broncas" y menos "sutil". Pero ha sustituido la versión de "Trio" taly como fue grabada en el recital con la de Startless & Bible Black, que es la mísma pero con un largo fade-in. Vamos, es impresentable, esto no se hace con un disco supuestamente de archivo. Si quieres ahorrarte el comienzo algo dubitativo de la improvisación, te vas a Starless & Bible Black.
El disco 19 presenta la mezcla hecha por George Chkiantz del mismo concierto de Amsterdam. Es como un elepé de cincuenta minutos. Supongo que es la base de todos los piratones que ha habido desde los setenta dedicados a material de este concierto. Tiene "sabor" de álbum setentero y en el fondo es la "legalización" de tanto disco pirata como hay por ahí.
El disco 25 presenta casi todo el concierto dado en Arlington, Texas, el seis de octubre de 1973; concierto que finaliza en el disco 26.
¿Bonus disc? ¿Por qué? Es un concierto muy conocido al haber sido reiteradamente pirateado.
El disco 26 (tambien bonus disc) se denomina Audio Curios y contiene lo que falta de Arlington junto a varias cosas. La primera es la versión de "Doctor Diamond" tal y como se tocaba en 1973 y que proviene de una actuación ampliamente pirateada (Richards Club, Atlanta, Georgia, 23 de Junio de 1973). Luego la improvisación de Zurich sin incrustar "The Mincer". Y tercero y para terminar tres piezas de un concierto dado en Mainz en octubre de 1973. Vamos un "mejunje". Sinceramente, creo que estas cosas merecían editarse de otra forma más respetuosa con el contenido. Lo digo como lo siento.
El disco 27, último de los bonus discs, es el piratón de audiencia del concierto dado en Udine el 19 de marzo de 1974. Célebre por incluir la única versión conocida de la canción "Guts on my side". Escuchado esto (ya lo conocía), el concierto dado en Frankfurt, y citado al comienzo de este post, podía haber sido un bonus disc más.
Music shouldn't be easy to understand. You have to come to the music yourself, gradually. Not everything must be received with open arms. (John Coltrane, 1963)
"Nada es verdad, todo está permitido" (El almuerzo desnudo, William S. Burroughs)

jajani

Cita de: icrp1961 en 07 de Diciembre de 2014, 10:52:35 AM
Hay que decir que todo el material ha sido remasterizado de nuevo.
Con lo que he escuchado  puedo ser crítico con algunas cosas.
La actuación de Frankfurt (3 de noviembre de 1973) tiene mejor sonido que algún concierto de la caja Larks' Tongues in Aspic, the Complete Recordings. En aquella hubiera sido incluida como disco y no como descarga. Sé que sería la única de fuente piratona, "de público", pero se oye.
Nada que criticar a los discos 1 & 2 (Glasgow), pero con Zurich sí que hay algo que decir. Han incorporado "The Mincer" a la improvisación de la que tiene origen quitando el fragmento perdido y sólo encontrable en fuente piratona. En su haber debo decir que el "mejunje" está bien hecho, pero en el "reproche" decir que esto no se hace con un disco supuestamente de archivo.
El concierto de Amsterdam (discos 5 y 6) ya fue editado anteriormente como The Night Watch. Sin ninguna necesidad Steven Wilson ha facturado una nueva mezcla con un sonido más bronco y con el bajo más alto y discernible. Bueno, es más "broncas" y menos "sutil". Pero ha sustituido la versión de "Trio" taly como fue grabada en el recital con la de Startless & Bible Black, que es la mísma pero con un largo fade-in. Vamos, es impresentable, esto no se hace con un disco supuestamente de archivo. Si quieres ahorrarte el comienzo algo dubitativo de la improvisación, te vas a Starless & Bible Black.
El disco 19 presenta la mezcla hecha por George Chkiantz del mismo concierto de Amsterdam. Es como un elepé de cincuenta minutos. Supongo que es la base de todos los piratones que ha habido desde los setenta dedicados a material de este concierto. Tiene "sabor" de álbum setentero y en el fondo es la "legalización" de tanto disco pirata como hay por ahí.
El disco 25 presenta casi todo el concierto dado en Arlington, Texas, el seis de octubre de 1973; concierto que finaliza en el disco 26.
¿Bonus disc? ¿Por qué? Es un concierto muy conocido al haber sido reiteradamente pirateado.
El disco 26 (tambien bonus disc) se denomina Audio Curios y contiene lo que falta de Arlington junto a varias cosas. La primera es la versión de "Doctor Diamond" tal y como se tocaba en 1973 y que proviene de una actuación ampliamente pirateada (Richards Club, Atlanta, Georgia, 23 de Junio de 1973). Luego la improvisación de Zurich sin incrustar "The Mincer". Y tercero y para terminar tres piezas de un concierto dado en Mainz en octubre de 1973. Vamos un "mejunje". Sinceramente, creo que estas cosas merecían editarse de otra forma más respetuosa con el contenido. Lo digo como lo siento.
El disco 27, último de los bonus discs, es el piratón de audiencia del concierto dado en Udine el 19 de marzo de 1974. Célebre por incluir la única versión conocida de la canción "Guts on my side". Escuchado esto (ya lo conocía), el concierto dado en Frankfurt, y citado al comienzo de este post, podía haber sido un bonus disc más.

Una vez más me reitero en mis apreciaciones sobre lo ilógico de estas ediciones.
Cuánto más lógico es establecer un orden "por capas":
- Edición normal.
- Remaster 5.1
- Caja "moderada" con el material adicional pertinente: "outakes", demos, tomas diferentes...
- Concierto representativo de la época (tal cual o mezcla de varios)
- KCCCs con los conciertos de gran calidad de sonido y/o de especial interés histórico. (Ocasionalmente se podía sacar una caja con todo este material)
- Descargas respetando "lo que hay" del resto de material para completistas.
dicebamus hesterna die...

icrp1961

Escuchado The Night Watch ayer mi conclusión es que la manipulación del material de ese concierto por parte de Wilson es innecesaria. Y por tanto irrelevante. Amén de aspectos ciertamente criticables.
Music shouldn't be easy to understand. You have to come to the music yourself, gradually. Not everything must be received with open arms. (John Coltrane, 1963)
"Nada es verdad, todo está permitido" (El almuerzo desnudo, William S. Burroughs)

icrp1961

Cita de: icrp1961 en 09 de Diciembre de 2014, 20:45:11 PM
Escuchado The Night Watch ayer mi conclusión es que la manipulación del material de ese concierto por parte de Wilson es innecesaria. Y por tanto irrelevante. Amén de aspectos ciertamente criticables.
Me refiero a la manipulación de Wilson incluida en la "cajota".
Music shouldn't be easy to understand. You have to come to the music yourself, gradually. Not everything must be received with open arms. (John Coltrane, 1963)
"Nada es verdad, todo está permitido" (El almuerzo desnudo, William S. Burroughs)

sahagun

Al final vas a tener con él una relación amor-odio tipo Pimpinela.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

icrp1961

El odio sería como el amor, le concederías una mínima esperanza.
Como en el caso de King Crimson o de Jethro Tull a partir de ahora ciertos discos se adquirirán pese a Wilson. No voy a deshacerme de las versiones previas, eso está claro. Los quiero por los bonus tracks no por las remezclas siglo XXI.
Music shouldn't be easy to understand. You have to come to the music yourself, gradually. Not everything must be received with open arms. (John Coltrane, 1963)
"Nada es verdad, todo está permitido" (El almuerzo desnudo, William S. Burroughs)

Pantagruel

Al final no grabamos el Unboxin en Vallecas, pero aquí dejo otro:




"What is this hope of possitive development in a world that's falling appart?"
Christy Doran

David Fresno

#20
[spoiler]


Estoy escuchando el cuarto disco de la caja Starless y... ¡¡¡qué movida!!! En The Mincer han puesto la pista de Starless & Bible Black!!! Se escucha la pista de Wetton cantando, por ejemplo. ¡Qué raro! Parece más veraz lo que aparece en el KCCC número 41, con un fragmento de piratón. Bueno... aquí suena mejor y las transiciones entre multipistas - tema de S&BB - multipistas es menos abrupta que en el disco del KCCC, en que aparece multipistas - piratón - multipistas. Mira... de esta manera tenemos las dos posibilidades.[/spoiler]

David Fresno

Cita de: icrp1961 en 30 de Noviembre de 2014, 17:09:45 PM
Cita de: icrp1961 en 30 de Noviembre de 2014, 10:48:13 AM
Luego sonará una parte de todo esto:

King Crimson - Starless (2014)


En concreto los discos 1 al 4. Es decir, los recitales de Glasgow y Zurich.

Aviso para quien tenga la cajota que no ha de ser leído si no se ha escuchado el cuarto CD:

[spoiler]En el cd cuatro han manipulado la improvisación para encajar "The Mincer" con Wetton cantando y todo eso eliminando todo rastro de la continuidad original, que se puede escuchar como tal en uno de los bonus disc. Yo lo hubiera hecho al revés. Son discos de archivo, ¿no?[/spoiler]

Ya comentaremos en "abierto" más adelante, ¿no?

[spoiler]

¡Aaaaaaaaahí estamos!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Aunque no he escuchado el disco 26 la cosa pinta de forma que casi prefiero tenerlo como viene en la caja. Sin andar cambiando de cds varias veces puedo escuchar el concierto bien de una forma - KCCC41, con el trozo del piratón -, bien de otra, con la toma de Starless & Bible Black -. Es cierto que son discos de archivo pero bueno... al menos el cartón con el disco 26 avisa de que el disco tres de la caja contenía pistas grabadas encima del material en vivo.

[/spoiler]

David Fresno

[spoiler]

Estoy ahora con el concierto del 23 de noviembre de 1973 en el Concertgebouw de Amsterdam, que aquí aparece "manipulado" por Steven Wilson.


Esta cuestión, lo relativo a Trio que vendrá en el cd sexto y lo mencionado antes sobre The Mincer viene explicado en el digipack que contiene los discos 4 a 6.[/spoiler]

icrp1961

Yo encuentro que estas decisiones me hacían albergar terror al conocerlas y me provocan horror al escucharlas.
Music shouldn't be easy to understand. You have to come to the music yourself, gradually. Not everything must be received with open arms. (John Coltrane, 1963)
"Nada es verdad, todo está permitido" (El almuerzo desnudo, William S. Burroughs)

David Fresno


Ha terminado el cd 7, muy breve y con las únicas tomas del concierto de Udine (19 de marzo de 1974) de las que se conserva una grabación profesional. Es una de las "cintas azules" - no es multipista sino de la mesa de mezclas - y le falta un rollo con la primera parte del concierto. Los temas son Exiles, Fracture y Larks´ Tongues In Aspic Part II.


Ahora comienza el cd 8, también "cinta azul" - mesa de mezclas - pero grabada en Brescia el 20 de marzo de 1974. El concierto "debe comenzar a las cinco y media porque es fiesta religiosa en la localidad". Los temas fueron:

Improv. I (2:30)
Larks' Tongues In Aspic, Part One (08:39)
Doctor Diamond (5:36)
Easy Money (7:09)
Lament (4:00)
The Night Watch (4:09)
Improv I (8:55)
Starless (12:05)
Exiles (4:02)

Esta grabación se publicó por primera vez en 2005 en DGMLive.